About Letting Go Of Success

When the platform is booming and your heart still feels heavy, what do you do next? Denise sits down with Katie to unpack a brave pivot: laying down a wildly successful “Good Patriot” brand to reclaim a truer identity as a daughter of the King. The result isn’t less influence; it’s deeper alignment, quiet courage, and the kind of peace that numbers can’t buy.

We trace the slow inches of growth that few see—the bamboo years—before sudden visibility arrived. Katie shares the unseen grind of creating original content with integrity, resisting shortcuts, and discovering that God often delays the spotlight to shape our character first. As faith moved to the center, the brand name itself no longer fit. Choosing obedience meant stepping off the hamster wheel of algorithms, sponsors, and constant performance to embrace a new vision: Not Quite Eden, a life lived for God’s kingdom rather than a fight to win the internet.

Together we explore being set apart on a narrow road, the relief that comes from honoring God’s order in the home, and the strength of a gentle spirit. Katie offers concrete stories—from a simple moment of stepping back so men could lead in prayer, to a reorientation of marriage through prayer rather than pressure. We weave in the shofar’s call, Jericho’s long silence before victory, the Torah’s fruit tree law as a map of maturity, and David’s years of training in fields and caves. Every scene points to the same truth: roots first, fruit later, timing always in God’s hands.

If you’ve felt that holy discontent, this conversation gives language and hope for your next step. Trade striving for shalom. Let Scripture anchor your days. Trust that the gifts, tests, and turns are preparing you for the right harvest at the right time. Listen, share with a friend who needs courage, and leave a review so more women can find their own reset in Christ.

Chapters

• 0:00 Welcome And Refining Fire
• 1:49 Moving From California To Texas
• 3:49 Building A Patriot Brand Online
• 7:09 Waiting, Growth, And Bamboo Breakthrough
• 9:44 Success, Burden, And A Holy Redirect
• 13:09 Identity Shift From Patriot To Daughter
• 18:14 Set Apart And The Narrow Road
• 22:09 Femininity, Leadership, And Letting Men Lead
• 27:29 Rebranding To Not Quite Eden
• 31:09 Trumpets, Jericho, And Obedience
• 35:29 Fruit Tree Metaphor And Maturity

Transcript

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Hi girls, I'm Denise Jackson. This is Katie Bertino, and we are here to talk a little about life and a refining fire in our life that is we're so grateful for. God doesn't leave us where we are. He pours out his fire, continues to purify our hearts and purify our ability to love him. And so I'm really looking forward to talking to you today and having Katie talk to you today. Would you like to introduce yourself? Thanks, Denise. Hi, ladies, I'm Katie. And um I hope that our conversation is edifying to you today and encourages you and the Lord. And so we'll just see what he brings out. Yes. So, Katie, um, you live just right around the corner from me. Can you tell me how you guys ended up in Winbury? Um, we are actually from California. My husband would say he's from Pennsylvania. California shame. And we felt it was time to escape because the California I grew up in had changed so immensely. It wasn't affordable. The culture was very different from when I grew up. And um, so it was either Texas or Idaho. And we first picked Idaho and then just couldn't find a place to rent or buy and just weren't really excited about it. And so our next door neighbors in California had moved to Wimberley, Texas. And she called me up one day and just said, Kate, every time I do something here, I think about you. Cause I was already, you know, wearing the cowboy boots and had the truck and the guns and the country music and and all that Texas stuff. And so we came to visit them and just check out Texas one more time and fell in love with it because we hadn't been to the Hill Country yet. And uh moved two, I think two months later. Oh wow, that's great. And you've been here how long now? Eight and a half years. Wow, that's a long time. We've known each other for a long time and lived on the same little circle in Wimberly, and we've gone through some stuff. There was a terrible rise of the river um in Wimberly. And y'all moved, did y'all move that right after that? We were after that. Okay. Okay. Um so we live very close to the river, which is such a blessing, and um get to enjoy it in the summers, especially. Um so tell us, Katie, like um, you talked about a little bit about that you have uh a whole social media business, right? Presence and business. And uh, but in the last three years, that's really flipped. It has flipped. Um, I still have a presence on there. I've changed my brand. But yeah, I had a very large, um, successful, patriotic Second Amendment freedom prepping channel. It kind of evolved through the years. It started out with just guns for sport and defending the Second Amendment. And then when all the crazy stuff started happening in 2020, went kind of towards prepping because I had a background in that. And then God was just changing me through this all. I always had my faith, but it wasn't forefront. And so faith started moving to the forefront, and now I've kind of not that I don't agree with those values that came from those sectors still, but it's just certainly not my priority. And so I had around 250,000 followers across a few media channels. Um, I mean, my average view on a video was probably around 20,000 views, just easily with like no real hard work. The Lord blessed me in it. And that's that's awesome. That's encouraging. Yeah. Well, because maybe women will hear, you know, about um rooted and wisely, you know, and yeah, um be blessed by that's my goal for it. Yeah. And I will say, um, and having those kind of numbers, which it comes with a lot of responsibility, a lot of pressure, a lot of demand. Um, but God knew when I was ready to handle that, because it took years of hard work, really consistent posting of all original content, um, just the persistence, the hard work, not compromising my values. Um, and I would get so frustrated because other women who would show cleavage and do inappropriate things to get attention, especially in a more masculine-based uh sector, yeah, yeah, uh, were growing very fast. And here I was, I was getting my content stolen from huge accounts. Oh, wow. And they erased my name. And oh no. Like all these things were happening. I was so frustrated and so badly wanted the audience because I felt like my message was worthy to be seen by more people. But in that process of waiting, because it took years, God was refining me, maturing me, giving me a real thick skin. So when I did have those numbers, that I could handle it in a godly way. And so what I describe it as is there's a certain type of bamboo that um it only grows an inch every year for like 10 years. Oh and after 10 years, suddenly it grows a foot every 30 days. Oh, wow. Oh, I love that. So I have I have like a journal entry with a little sketch of bamboo that like God can grow your life like bamboo. And that's what he did with that channel. Um, I made one video that went viral and then another, and then um a very popular men's channel uh asked me to be their only female that had their content on their platform. So that was a huge blessing. One that I didn't even have to do anything for. I was just being me out there, and I was always getting win to who I was and not um not willing to cheapen my message or myself in order to get there. Uh I love that. Yeah. And I I think that's, you know, uh, we talk a lot on this program about being yourself, not being so hung up or worried about what everybody else is doing, but just realizing that God created you, each one of us, for purpose. He called us before we were born, he knit us together in our mother's womb, he has a plan. And if we can trust in that plan, it may take a while because that's his plan, too, to grow us in. I love that picture because he does that. He grows us in our talents and our skills and our patience and our willingness and our love for him and our willingness to follow him no matter what the circumstances are, and to change direction no matter what the circumstances are, when he speaks and and when he does that and we listen, there's gonna be a bigger harvest that's coming. I believe that. Um yeah, for freedom. Yeah, so tell us some more. Um, so all was going well. Um, my videos were slowly changing to more faith-based content. Um and I just started becoming uncomfortable with the whole job in itself. Um so slowly, kind of month by month, the I never found it super thrilling or anything, but I was very grateful for the success. Yeah, I just was really discontented and felt like uh I was being worn down, I was burdened, everything felt heavy, settling, like which was probably a sign that God wanted me to change direction. And so here I was, I had all you know, all the big numbers and this and that, and sponsors and making it. What the world says is success. Yes, yes, making money from it, and deep inside I just didn't want to do it anymore. And really, all I wanted to kind of talk about was God. So it wasn't that I couldn't continue the channel and just keep talking about God, but I didn't even the name of the channel was Good Patriot. I didn't even want to be identified as people called me Good Patriot. Um, I didn't even want my identity to be in patriotism. I wanted my identity to be in the Lord. So I was like, what do I do? Like he's giving me all this stuff, but you know, he cares, but he doesn't care about what he gave me for a season. Um or or I mean things were a blessing, but yeah, he does care that your needs are met. Yeah, he cares that you can get to every good work, he cares for you to be able to bless and not curse. There's a lot he does care about, and I do know he gives us those finances for purpose. But when we go through a change like that, you know, I was in the corporate world for a while, and I made quite a bit more money than I did anywhere else. But there was a time where God just said it's time to leave. And uh, can you trust me? And my answer after a little while of that heaviness, of feeling that heaviness and talking to Lee, uh was yeah, I need to leave this. And uh in my heart, what I wanted was to help people run businesses God's way, not the world's way. And I wanted mining to be daughter of a king, not anything else, you know. Um, and so I I understand. And when you step away from that, it's hard at first, but then I started breathing again. And I was breathing God, and it got and I wasn't breathing. There was a lot of time in there. I just feel like I almost stopped breathing because it was so heavy, you know, that what I was going through. So I feel like what about you girls? Uh, are you going through a season like this? Are you starting to feel this call on your life to just be his daughter and to live your life full out as his daughter? Because I am seeing a lot of women lately that are saying that to me, and maybe he's saying it to you. And I just want you to know if he is, it's his voice. He is talking to you because he's saying it in the earth right now. He's calling his sons and daughters to serve holy, to love him wholly, and to serve the earth wholly with his light. Yeah, to be set apart, to be set apart. Yeah. Yeah. And the thing is, I don't feel like I lost anything. I feel like I've gained so much at this this season of my life. Uh, you know, he did. What we were talking about this refining fire, and I also say, you know, he cuts away a stone parts of the heart. I feel like I've gone through a lot of that in the last few years, but um what I was afraid of when I'd asked him for that in the past wasn't something I knew to be afraid of. He's so gentle, and it just takes us with what where we're able to go. He doesn't yank us most of the time, unless it's to get us out of dangers farm today, but he just gently leads us to uh the next step where we're freer and freer and freer to do what he's called us to do. Yeah, yeah. It's uh to be set apart isn't an easy thing, it's a narrow road and it's a lonely road and a hard road, and there ain't a lot of people on it. Um and it's hard to go contrary to what the world says you should be doing or what life should look like. Um, but it's definitely worth it when he links you to that place. Um, for me, it was also transitioning from not just wanting to maybe not be on social media, not just wanting to um, I don't know, keep up with all the algorithms and that this and that, like in order to stay relevant on these platforms that are always changing and will never be satisfied. Um, but it was also my role as a woman. I was in a very masculine position. I all my videos were um fighting for freedom, fighting for this, fighting for this. You have to stand up. I was very assertive, very bold. I have that natural type A personality that goes and and leads and does this, and it's it feels natural for me, but I realized who I was in God's word and how he wanted women to act, how um having a kind and gentle spirit is what he wants from us. And then not that I was usurping my husband's role as leader of our family, but there were times where I was questioning myself and how I could be better for sure. And there was just a pivotal moment um early on where I was in a room, it was a mixed room of a bunch of people we knew, you know, couples, men and women. It there's a presentation at the end of the presentation. The young man said, Would anyone like to close us in prayer? And someone I knew who was the same kind of personality type as me immediately said, I'll do it. And she prayed. And I just felt like the Lord said, 'Did you see that?' Because there were several men in the room that were more than capable for of praying. And I was just, God was opening up my eyes to how women, just because they can do something, it doesn't mean they should. And how for so long, um, I don't know, a lot of women complained about my husband doesn't lead or they don't do this, and I want him to be like this, but we won't get off the pedestal of leadership to let them on or pray for our husbands. Yeah. Because they may not, they may not have the understanding of who they're supposed to be. Yeah, like God's word gives us that understanding. And when we pray, when women pray, it is powerful. And I know that. I saw that, you know, Lee and I got married so young, neither one of us knew anything. But when I learned the power of trusting God's word, that's what I started doing. And I started praying for my husband. And guys, it changed him. I it wasn't, you know, griping is how I started. I was like, you need to do this, you need to do that, you need to take the lead in this. And and you know, he would just be like, No. But when I started praying for him and quit grip at him, he he started changing, and he started changing with joy. Like he was like, Oh, I love this role in our marriage, you know. And uh, so you know, it's not just like you if you want to let them lead, that's great, but they may not be leaving yet, but you could still trust God. Yeah, that you know, kind and gentle woman that uh God's called, and and I don't think that means you can't have businesses or lead in areas because I think God appoints you to those areas in Proverbs 31 woman, she had a lot of responsibility, and there were judges that were called, called to be judges that were women, there were women who really changed the direction of many events in the Old Testament, uh, because they were willing to take a step in obedience to God. So I believe that, but I do believe that um we you will rest when you uh trust that your husband is following God. You will you will have a place where you can really just let yourself relax because you know that now you all are in the proper positions, yeah. And God has order in his house. Yes, he does, and he wants us to have order in our homes as well. Um, so when you align in those roles, you know, and submit to them, and yeah, you know, ideally they love us like Christ loved the church and and we submit under them and that's easy when they when we already see that, yeah, right when they're ready to lay down their lives. But in the beginning, you know, I think for me it wasn't a huge struggle because my husband is a great leader and a great husband. But for me, I had to let go of the fear of what if he fails? It like I had to let him fail and not to get on his case about it, you know. And I think a lot of women fear, what if what if I let him do this and he he embarrasses me or he loses money or he makes a mistake or he doesn't do it like I was gonna do it. And it's really just surrendering that and letting and not being his mother and just being his kind and gentle and supportive helper that we were designed to be. Um so I kind of applied that to my career with the Good Patriot channel. I made a video about it, which is one of my favorite videos I ever did about letting men lead and making them into better men by getting off that pedestal. I love that. And I made it right after he showed me that instance with that person I knew that was like, oh, I'll do it, I'll do it, I can get in there. Um but uh so ultimately I changed the direction of my channel, um, completely rebranded into a new what's your what's your branding now? It's called Not Quite Eden. Not quite eaten. Yeah, and I haven't really posted videos on the YouTube. The only thing that's still good Patriot is YouTube, but all the social media channels are not quite eaten. Switch them over and um and I'm not worried about followers or anything like that. Um, I kind of let that go a long time ago. But uh, but I know that when I'm ready, which is probably soon, I'll start making videos again and it's great, get them out there. And God will use all the experience that I got fighting for freedom with now. I don't even want to say fighting for his kingdom, just living for his kingdom. Yes, I love that. Yeah, the fighting, you know, I I feel like I, you know, as the oldest child of Irish parents, and that was really pushed in that you were strong and mighty and argued with everybody. And I I took a lot of um pride in that when I was young. And it was exhausting to fight all the time. And not to see, you know, we I I believe that what is going to happen to help you to bring. When the time is appointed for you to be in a role that may have leadership, is when you are given that responsibility, and your husband is blessing that responsibility. You have the responsibility and the authority, and your husband is blessing it. When you're in that place and God's you know clearly told you this is what you're gonna do, and your life is not in another season where you're supposed to be doing something else, um, He blesses it. And uh it and I'm not thinking about numbers or money, it's just like you get to your shalom. Shalom, yes, peace. That's exactly what I was thinking. Shalom. Well, so the other day I got to come to the Bible study, and it was so great because we were celebrating the Feast of Trumpets. Yes, and you know, I'm sure I've heard that trumpet with the what's it? Shofar. Shofar. But I I hadn't heard it like that. They all these women were standing at the river, and we threw our bread to be just like a sign of throwing our sins away, and they're being covered and blowing the horn in triumph. And we didn't really blow horns, we played our phones of the most, yeah. But ever since then, I've been thinking about blowing the horn. Yeah, and you know, I've I've loved the story of uh what God told people to walk around Jericho um seven times without saying a word. And this was a city, y'all. You know, sometimes we think, oh, well, that wasn't hard, just walk around. No, it was like a from early the break of day to the end of day, seven days. They were walking around a giant wall of a city, not saying a word. You know me, that'd be very hard. God would have to do, they would just have to seal my lips. It would be a little paste it together. Yeah, so nice. I believe I would be able to do it if he asked me to do it just because he has taught me that before. But it's not my natural, and I don't think it's natural for anybody to just say nothing for seven days, but they did it in obedience to God. And um then the walls crumbled when they blew that horn. Yeah, and when I heard it, it was like such a kind of mighty sound. Yeah, not like the trumpets that we play. Yeah, it's a different, and I think it's probably designed that way. It's just a different uh frequency, like a different resonance from the shofar. There really is. But it's a it's a a warning and alarm instrument of something important is about to happen. And one day we're gonna hear that trumpet. Yeah, yeah, the real trumpet. We're all gonna hear it. So it's gonna hear it. It's gonna be good. Yeah, yeah. It'll be a good day for if we love the Lord. Yeah, you know, but like Katie said, it's a narrow road. It's not um, you know, like everybody's not gonna pile in, even though that's God's will. God, God's will is that all men be saved. But we he gave us choice, he gave us freedom, and we've got to choose uh him or the world. And more and more, um, I believe a call is going out, girls, so don't ignore it to choose him over the world and let him order our lives and our days so that we complete this mission he sent us on. You know, it's just a short time, and then all of us are gone. Yeah, yeah. So, what else would you like to talk about today? Put you on the spot. Let me just see. Okay, we got yeah, a little bit of time. Um, I don't know. You know, I was thinking, I was driving home from Costco. And I was thinking about something I buried that I think is really poignant. Um, in the Torah, there is a law that when we plant a tree, a fruit tree, that we're not to touch the fruit for four years. And so you plant the tree that first year, and the tree has to get established. And then the second year, the tree is established and it starts producing little buds and maybe some fruit here and there. But you're supposed to pull it off. Yes, you pull it, you pull it off, you don't eat it. Yeah, the third year, the fruit is mature, the tree knows what it's doing, and that fruit goes to the Lord, it's an offering. Oh, it's a it's the tag, it's a the fourth year is when the tree is mature, the fruit is ready, right? Big as it's supposed to be, and now it's ready to be shared and eaten. And if you apply that to our lives in the sense of maybe when we come into the faith, um, and God has something important for us to do. There's a time of refinement, of preparedness, you know, and if you look at that, the beauty of the Torah, there's always a deeper meaning behind these laws that the Torah is the first uh books of the Bible, right? Yeah, it Torah could mean the first five books, Torah can mean the law of God, Torah can mean the Old Testament in terms of the first five books, the prophets and the Psalms. Okay. Um, so it has multiple meanings, but um, I just think it's a beautiful metaphor for how, you know, there's in the New Testament, Paul says that you he doesn't want a new believer to become an elder because they're not mature, they haven't been tested in the faith. And so if you apply that to that fruit tree, and just how God has that design, that perfect design for everything, he knows what's best. So it's like anytime he's gonna prepare us to do something bigger for his kingdom, he's gonna send us through this that first year, you know, of establishing our roots, our second year of learning more, you know, of producing little buds, but maybe not something that's quite peak fruit, you know, ready to go and be eaten the third year. Okay, here's the fruit, but you're not gonna be on your own yet. I'm gonna take it, you know, and and enjoy it and kind of watch over you. And that fourth year is like now I'm gonna send you out. Now you're ready, you're matured, you've got roots, you've been through seasons of winter, you've been through the hot summer, you've been tested, and now you know me now. Now put your fruit out. So that's really good, Katie. That's really, really good. Yeah. I just I thought that was that was just something I was kind of thinking about, and I thought it was a beautiful metaphor. And how you know God's not constrained by time, you know, just because we have an idea. And it may not be four years, it's in his time. He, you know, I feel like um I feel that way. I felt that way a lot when I was younger. At 19, I thought I could do anything for God, you know. And I would say, what do what are you doing? What are we doing? And thankfully I felt like God's doing something all along, but it was nothing like where I feel like he's taking me now. So my fourth year is at 67 or 68, I don't know. Um, because I might be in the inches, so it might be 77. But um, I I do think that wait, be patient, wait on the Lord. Yeah, because he can see things that we cannot see. And I was just reading this morning uh again about David in writing and thinking about how David was, you know, he was the youngest of eight brothers and at least two sisters that we knew of. So three. Three. Oh, okay. Well, I don't know the third, I know the two, but um so a wild household. I mean, I grew up as the oldest of six kids, and we have a wild household. Um, and he was like sent to take care of the sheep as the youngest, you know, and the smallest, and the you know, it it one of the things I thought about is he was sent to take care of the sheep, and uh that was a really dangerous, scary thing, and and they just sent him out unprepared. But God prepared him in the field in so many ways. But you know, I thought about him as a uh young man thinking, well, what have I got? I'm not gonna inherit. Jesse wasn't a rich man, and he had eight sons, and seven of them came before David. Um, so just lying there looking up at the stars and talking to God and realizing God was so mighty in his life and was gonna be mighty, but he had to have no idea how God could use him. And then out of the blue, he gets called by Samuel, by his dad, to go to Samuel. And Samuel looks at him and says, I'm gonna write a new king. He's still just a little kid. Guess what happens? Sent back to the shepherd field. You know, and he sat in the shepherd field. Then he comes to bring food to his brothers and takes on Goliath and kills Goliath. Guess where he would have to go back to the shepherd fields. He was sat there in those fields and thought, you know, he was a hero for Israel. But I think that most of the people probably thought, oh, that was a luck, or it was a fluke, or whatever. You know, he's too stupid to know better. They didn't see him as the hero that God saw him, as the man full of faith and willing to trust God against a giant when nobody else would. But then he goes back and he continues to take care of the sheep faithful, to do the job that God's given him unto the Lord, to play his wire, um, his whatever we call that now, but an instrument. And then out of the blue, somebody calls him to go play that for Saul because Saul's an evil spirit is coming after Saul. And the only way that he can get rest is when that music is played. So how funny that like he taught him to fight, to find a bear and a lion, he taught him to protect the sheep while he was watching over them, to to find good water, to find good food, to really do a job unto him that looked like it couldn't really have a future. And he taught him to play an instrument so different from each other. One's a warrior, one's this peacemaker, and then he put into the king's house. It just to me, it reminded me uh that uh God uses everything as that little apple tree is growing. He uses everything. So trust him. If you have the opportunity to learn something new in a season and you're thinking I'm too busy, don't say that. If there's something that's been put on your heart to learn and a door has opened, go learn it. God's gonna use it, he's gonna use it all in your life as you walk the path that he's called you to. He has a plan, and it's better than ours. Yeah. And don't get discouraged in the adversity, you know, because David had a lot of blessings and everything, but he also spent so many years on the run as Saul was trying to kill him, you know, in impossible situations. He was being refined, and at one point um went back, he was living amongst his enemies. You know, Psalm 23 is an autobiographical incident, not of a nice thought. Um living amongst the Philistines, he was God blessed him amongst the king of the Philistines in Gath. He had his own city with his men. Long story short, they leave to go act like they're gonna fight with the Philistines against Israel. But and when they come home, everything is burned and all their families and possessions are gone. And so the men, they says the word says that the men wept until they couldn't weep anymore, including David, even his two wives were gone. So after that, the men were even talking about stoning David, and the word says that David encouraged himself in the Lord. So think of that. He had nothing, his very own people wanted to kill him, but he knew where to turn, you know. And then the next step he took was he inquired of the Lord, and then he went forward, and he didn't condemn the men, you know, like but through that, that was right before God was gonna fully anoint him to be king because Saul was gonna be killed. And so it was almost like one. I mean, he had many tests up after that, but right before he became king, he had that huge test of what are you gonna do? Are you gonna react emotionally in despair that your families are dead, which they were all returned 100% okay, including their possessions? Or are you gonna fall on your knees, encourage yourself and me, remember what I've done for you in the past, and then seek me and seek my face. Yes. And he passed that test. And um, and I think the Lord knew, okay, my boy, my boy's ready, let's take care of Saul. And um, shortly after that, he was and he had that test with Saul too, where he could have killed Saul, but he wasn't gonna touch God's anointment, so he knew better. Yeah, and and we need to understand that principle, too. Um, yeah, when someone has been placed in authority, we need to have fear and and uh and trust in God and respect the position, um, which means keep our mouth shut. Perfect. Yeah, we can say well, I feel like if you've been given the again, if you go back to the authority and the responsibility, you have um the job to say something because God said that to you, but in a respectful manner. Yeah, that's it it's because but if you don't, I think you need to be careful what you say. I think we need to have reverence and offer our father above everybody else. And if if you are doing something in your own town, you are heading into a place that could hurt you, and God knows that. But if you will trust God for the perfect timing, and I believe that they did that in that incident, not always, yeah, you know, he was he failed, we fail, but um, in that incident, uh, he really took God's way, and it he was rewarded for that. Yeah, he was he was eternally you'll always have a man on the throne. Yes, yes, yeah, Jesus is always gonna be on the throne. Uh-huh. Um, so Katie, um, if you have is there something you'd like to say to the young Roman who are coming up that just uh you wish you would have known sooner uh or acted upon sooner in life? I think uh my regret is probably not being in the word and memorizing scripture on a consistent basis earlier because I really only committed to reading several times a week or more over the last five years. And I just, man, I wish I started earlier. Like what a blessing it would be to have done that for my whole life and have all his word in my heart, even more so. Yes. Um, so I would probably say, even though it may feel like homework sometimes, um work it into your day because it is our daily brand, and I don't know what I would do without it. That's how he speaks to me. And um, that's where I get my most of my encouragement. And so I can't emphasize enough how important it is just to be in the word. Yes, I agree. It's I wish I had done it young as a younger woman, just filled my heart uh he tells us that what comes out of our mouth is what's in our heart. And we bury the word in our heart, it comes out of our mouth without us even thinking about it. And it directs our steps, it has power. Plus, angels hearken to it. So, I mean, you can't fail. So, yeah, I I hope you young women will seek him earlier. And women of all ages, if you haven't, it's never too late to seek the Lord and find him when you seek him with all your heart. Yeah, he's going to bless your efforts, he will never leave you or forsake you. We are the ones that leave him. We turn our back on him, but he is right there waiting for us to turn back. And when we do, he blesses us and teaches us. Okay, girls. Well, Katie Martino, Denise Jackson, I'm so glad you joined us today for this Rooted in Rising, and I look forward to seeing you again.